[Jerome Mosetic]

Hi everyone, been browsing the the forum and still cant make up my mind on which camera body to upgrade to.

I have been using the 30D for 2 years now, and would like to upgrade. I have been shooting from land with 100-400L 4,5-5,6

I am now keen to get into shooting from the water and of course from land when the conditions call for this.

I am also thinking of getting the 70-200 2,8 for Water shooting and the Tokina 11-17. I already have the 50mm 1,8

Where do I go from here, the 7D 1D OR 5D Series??

I know there are pro's and cons to each of the bodies with full frame and crop, but would like to get some feedback on my intentions to shoot both Telephoto from land and Wide/Fish from Water??

Should I stick with crop sensor for Telephoto and Full Frame for Wide/Fish Eye??? Or am I delving in to deep now??

Any comments and suggestions would be great.

Thanks

Jerome

[Kian Bourke-Steer]

Jerome Mosetic, on 12 June 2010 - 04:03 AM, said:

I am now keen to get into shooting from the water and of course from land when the conditions call for this.

Jerome

hi Jerome
im selling my 30D kit if your interested ??

SPL Housing for Canon 30D
Side Grip and Pistol Grip

10 - 22 Port with SPL Cover
24 - 104 Port with SPL Cover and SPL Bag

Canon EOS 30D

Canon Lens 10 - 22mm
with Canon Lens Hood

$2600 package

Im located in Sydney

Email - steer1512@gmail.com

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[Jerome Mosetic]

Okay I logged in, see Guest post above.

[Jerome Mosetic]

Anyone got any suggestions/Opinions or advice on my Gear upgrade question??

Be nice to hear from some of the more experienced guys.

Cheers

J

[Tim Yap]

Can't say I'm that experienced and I don't own cannon gear.

Some say the 5D series isn't fast enough - ideally shooting sports from land or water you want fast AF that will track well and a fast FPS. All of this is subjective though and I'm sure you have seen mind blowing shots taken from 5DI and II's taken from both the water and land - in the hands of capable photogs.

One thing to consider is the full vs crop frame - full has its advantages for IQ and low light ability (esp for portraiture and events) so if you are planning to shoot these things a lot then its a consideration.

7D by all accounts is a very capable camera and will give you more reach from land (getting the equivalent on FF is more expensive), whilst still having great wide angle options such as the tokina you mentioned.

That is the route I'd be looking at if I was you - I use the Nikon equivalent and rarely am I wanting any more for surf photography.

Also worth looking at the housing options for each to compare.
Until you plan on shooting heaving reef from the channel I'd hold off on the 70-200 port - there are other lengths that would be more useful if you are starting off.

Some food for your thoughts seeing as no cannonites have chipped in for you...

[Mark Thorpe]

Hi Jerome,
I've just started in water shooting and have 400D as a training cam and also the 5DMkII for when I think I'm proficient enough to step up. Like you I am also using the 100-400mm f4.5 - 5.6 L IS on land. I shoot that lens on the 5DMkII as it covers the sensor. I also throw either a x1.4 or the x2 teleconverters on it too, sometimes both together. From the 400D the 5DMkII in my limited experience seems fine. I've got fine results from it compared to anything I've shot with the 400D. If I were more versed in the requirements for speed or had been doing this longer I may be able to shed more light on it. I'm about to throw down for the Canon 15mm fisheye for the 5DMkII and already have a Tamron 180mm that I will also use to keep some distance between me and the subject.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Mark.

[Jerome Mosetic]

Thanks Guys, I am veering towards the 7D for cost considerations for the moment as I was keen for the 1dmk3 however I reckon the 7D could be a good option, I could always get a second body when more cash comes my way and get the full frame 1dmk3.

Lens wise, if I opt out of the 70-200 f2,8 then what other fixed focal length could be a good option, something that is not too wide, that I could use swimming when you cannot get right in the zone like with a fish eye.

I still have at least 2 months to make up my mind so I will continue to educate myself on the pro's and cons and make the decision when I intend to buy.

Thanks again and any more banter on the topic is more than welcome.

Have good day

Jerome

[Tom O'Hara]

just a quick note, the 1d3 isn't full frame mate. It has a 1.3 crop factor.
I think 85 and 135 are nice focal lengths for hanging back, even 50mm is adequate

[Paudie Scanlon]

50mm 1.8 and 85mm 1.8 are both fine to shoot from the shoulder.
Cheap as chips and pretty good IQ as well.
Plus they fit into the Canon 10-22mm port that I use for wide angle stuff.

7D is sweet alright, coming from a 20D I sometimes thing the burst is a little too fast, too many shots to go through afterwards and it eats up the memory quickly.
But I guess I shouldn't really complain too much about that.

[Lee Kelly]

Hey buddy,
If you want to shoot surfing id go for the 7D over the 5d2 for sure. For starters you have faster frames per second which is crucial for nailing that magic moment which you will more than likely miss with a slower camera especially in the water.
The autofocus on the 7D is fast and accurate.
The 70-200 2.8 is a great lens and very versatile to have in the kit. Great for shooting from deep water channels and also for pulled back lineup shots from land. There is a new model which has been recently released however its pretty expensive at about $3000. The older f4 model is smaller, lighter and many of the top shooters downgraded (upgraded) from the 2.8 when digital came on the scene once you didnt need such a fast 2.8 lens for shooting surfing in lower light with higher iso being used.
The 1D3 is a great super fast camera however there were many photographers who hated that camera because of autofocus issues. Some say the issues were resolved however id say many second hand bodies are being sold for that very reason so id avoid that one. The 7D is the way to go. Super cheap and small light and fast. Ive had photos published in magazines upto 800iso with that camera and they look great. The 1.6 crop is going to give you more reach with your land lens and with the 10-17mm fisheye you have your wide angle fisheye covered.
Many of the main water housing makers have moulds for the 7D and various ports for any of the lens' you need.
Have fun.

[Jerome Mosetic]

Thanks for the comments guys, Yeh It looks like I will go with the 7D. Also keen to play around with the Video side of things.

Ah the 1D is crop, its the 5D which is full frame. Thanks for pointing that out Tom, got mixed up!

Next choice is the extra lenses and Waterhousing

Looking at fixed 85mm and I will deffo go with the Tokina fisheye. I know there are alot of waterhousing manufacturers around, but I am interested in CMT Housings, i dropped them an email with my enquiries.

Thanks again good to hear from more experienced guys out there.